What up, drunkers?? This epi, we discuss Difficult Women by Roxane Gay. Trigger warning rape, sexual assault, abuse, miscarriage, violence, death.
We discuss: the fact that we both didn’t realize the stories were fiction at first, the difficulty of the intensity in these stories, Olivia’s love of Omaha, Tumblr-era flash fiction of the 2010s, repetition of themes, fears of boats and love and how Gay articulates emotions, fluency in “bad priest” sexiness, things we wrote in college, MFA-program styles of writing, “I am a knife!”, Real Housewives costumes, and more.
We discuss: The Yellow Wallpaper and gothic themes, Olivia’s on-point predictions and creepy dreams after reading, the many big themes in this book (medical world vs. folk healing, distrust of women, racism, classism, eugenics & incest– yikes), comparisons with Allende’s The House of the Spirits, a few unclosed loops, the benefits of ebooks versus physical books, Ashley’s little taste of the awkwardness of online dating, the new 3.5% White Claws (spoiler alert, that’s def not worth anything), Lindsay Lohan throwing us all under the bus with her kombucha excuse, Ashley’s long lost Pom glasses, Olivia’s chopstick life (someone, please send this woman a fork), and, um, incest??
Also, drunkers, we have some asks. Message us on social media @drunkofthebook or email us at firstname.lastname@example.org with your feedback: 1. Should we do a rating system? 2. Would you sign up if we did a Patreon doing goofy, weird shit on it? 3. Please review us! Our review game is sad 😦 4. Let us know if you want to guest on our podcast!
Hey frieeeends! This episode, we’re talking about Cemetery Boys by Aiden Thomas. Spoiler alerts in this episode! Just a heads up to read the book before listening if you’re worried about spoilers 🙂
We discuss: hard-to-buy mugs, Olivia’s oversharing at her new local coffee shop/bar, Olivia’s new love for YA thanks to this book (and the seed for why Olivia hates YA in the first place), complex characters and our interest in more books in this universe, and so much mooooore.
We discuss: gymnastics, olivia’s childhood gymnastics/dance/swim career, getting used to the tone of the book, buying stamps to save the post office and sending letters with a million 2 cent stamps and investing in stamps (sorry y’all, we honestly go OFF on stamps and, no, it’s not related to the book…), the softness of the book’s pages, the kinship Olivia feels with Abbi and her experiences, the fact that Olivia didn’t watch tv in college until junior year and Ashley had been boycotting Hulu for years because she felt betrayed, overlaps Ashley feels with Abbi’s personality, Olivia’s plan to pierce her bellybutton and wear dresses for six months, a rice cake convo, diet-culture and body stuff, Olivia’s dry-cleaning epiphany lololol, the intense anxiety some parts of this book bring up, two Jerome songs, the celebrity romance and parentage mysteries we want to know but shouldn’t care about, and so much more!
We discuss: the difficulty of reading during 2020, Uncle Andrew, how hilariously nasty Ali Wong is (in a good way), how much grosser girls are than guys, complaints about how much women have to put into appearance and then people complain about them taking too long, the benefits of working from home, how hard it will be to go back to work/school, reflections on this podcast over time, regrets about not going abroad in college, student loan woes, (of course) how funny Ali Wong is, and SO MUCH MORE.
We discuss: our delicious drinks and why we can’t even handle them anymore, “Ad Friedman,” friend pressures and “the stretch,” changing trends in friendship, “shine theory” drama, our investment in Ann and Aminatou’s friend struggles, eating dip, Ashley’s penchant for napping, and more as we just generally get back into the groove of podcasting!
We discuss: leftover wine (what to do with a whole box of old wine? suggestions welcome); Olivia’s blurb-writing skills, Ashley’s story of Shirley Jackson; the uneasy, scary tone of the book (it is a successful scary story even if it doesn’t seem like it at first!); the very blatantly obvious themes of queerness in this book; how Jackson plays with horror tropes; questions we still have about some of the characters; and how we are technology mavens!
We discuss: Goodreads reading challenges, the ridiculously high prices of audio books, actually paying for music and movies, changing the speed of podcast playback, how druuuunk we sound if you slow down our podcast to 1/2 speed (please try– enjoy), the interview Ashley heard of Carmen Maria Machado (Call Your Girlfriend episode titled “Winter Books“), the tone of sadness that colored a lot of the stories, the richness of the short story “The Husband Stitch” (we’re pretty sure it must be on a Mills College syllabus right now), our lack of Law & Order SVU background knowledge, how “The Inventory” shifted in a really interesting way, Ashley’s love of “The Resident” for its old-school ghost story vibe, the ambiguity of the time periods in the stories that made them feel like modern fairy tales, comparison’s to Helen Oyeyemi’s Boy, Snow, Bird and Kelly Link’s Get in Trouble, Micheline Marcom‘s philosophy of relating to authors as our mentors, how we both felt inspired to write after reading, and so much more.
We leave you with this: “I think it’s high time for the short story to come back!”
We discuss: how women are, indeed, capable of having friendships; tears, blood, cervical mucus, uterine linings; the word moist; Skype’s banning of Ashley; the slightly repetitiveness of including so much Parks and Rec info in the book; the fact that it’s slightly less thrilling than Helter Skelter; Olivias hatred of Girls; the myth of the “cool girl;” how we know noooothing about sororities; reflections on our own friendships; and sooo much more.
In this episode: we think this is a book all white Americans should read, how engaging the book is, the epistemological form, how his description of parenting resonated for us (two non-parents, lol), how its a privilege for white people to avoid reading this because of fear of how intense it may be, the concept of whiteness (check out the podcast Scene On Radio’s series Seeing White for more on that topic), and how it’s time to bump Romeo and Juliet for Between the World and Me on required reading lists. ENJOY, drunkers!